transcripts Violent Protests

Yeohoshua's 1 of 2 commandments: Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you.

Megan Fox: broke God's commandment.

Dinesh D'Souza : broke God's commandment.

William Ayers: completed God's commandment.

Polisci definitions U.C. Berkeley w/ AM: Reasons for Vietnam.
Institutions: fear of a global communist world
Economics: oil fields in Vietnam waters, today China is trying to exploit this
Social: White people hated againt Asians to which Vietnamese have brown skin tones, a set of particular Asians.

example: Gov. Jerry Brown 1975: Don't 'Dump Vietnamese' Refugees on California...

return to analysis page .

comparative lit. Edward Said school of thought:

Roman Exceptionalism = Kill Jew babies, and rob their temple of all of its gold and tax them to death, while adorning the Roman gladiator coliseum with that temple gold, and bragging about how the Roman state killed, murdered, and stole from foreigners and then call it Roman Exceptionalism.



Facts: Revolutionary War = use poor people to fight your battles for continued profits.
Facts: Civil War = use poor people to fight your battles for continued profits.
Facts: Vietnam War = use poor people to fight your battles for continued profits.
Facts: Middle East - Iraq Wars I & II.  = use poor people to fight your battles for continued profits.
Facts: domestic = use police to enforce your agenda of = use poor people to fight your battles for continued profits.
Facts: domestic social violent activity = weather underground sees no solution but to murder the supporters, the police, judges, or government officials who protect the rich who send poor people to fight your battles for continued profits.

Facts: violent protests are American and its traditions.

Facts: ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, NBC, MSNBC & academia controllers are all anti American, they all advocate peaceful protests with no change for putting in the poor to fight their avarice wars.


do you use violence against the system and its supporters (Police, Judges, government agencies)? Yes or No? If rich, you say no; and if poor you say, yes.

The Weather Underground Organization (WUO), commonly known as the Weather Underground, was an American radical left organization founded on the Ann Arbor campus of the University of Michigan. Originally called Weatherman, the group became known colloquially as the Weathermen. Weatherman organized in 1969 as a faction of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) ( Mark Rudd, spokesman for the violent faction) [2] composed for the most part of the national office leadership of SDS and their supporters. Their goal was to create a clandestine revolutionary party for the overthrow of the U.S. government.[3].

This is a rush transcript from "The Kelly File," June 30, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

MEGYN KELLY, HOST: Breaking tonight, new fallout from two Supreme Court rulings, the latest in a series of setbacks described by one liberal scholar as quote, "The worst ten days of any modern presidency."

But first a world exclusive. Good evening everyone and welcome to "The Kelly File." I'm Megyn Kelly. We have full coverage of the Supreme Court's way to brash back of the Obama administration later with Judge Napolitano.

But first, a special report tonight. Professor Bill Ayers admits to terrorizing this country, bombing buildings and committing other crimes during the 1970s. And he got away scot-free. Because this is America, he wound up as a college professor, who even helped a president launch his political career.

Over the years, Mr. Ayers managed to redefine himself, not as a terrorist but as a revolutionary, a kid who merely vandalized, not one who inspired murder. He is a man who took chances with other people's lives and took every chance to dodge the tough questions until tonight.


MCCAIN CAMPAIGN AD, 2008: Barack Obama and domestic terrorists Bill Ayers, friends. They've worked together for years. But Obama tries to hide it. Why?

KELLY (voice-over): He was one of the most controversial figures of Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign.

SARAH PALIN, R-FORMER ALASKA GOVERNOR: Our opponent is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country.

THEN-SENATOR BARACK OBAMA: The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was eight years old somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense.

KELLY: A man everyone wanted to talk to but whose silence was deafening.

JESSE WATERS, "THE O'REILLY FACTOR": What's your relationship with Barack Obama? Mr. Ayers?

KELLY: Bill Ayers, friend of the man who would be president and an unrepentant terrorist whose group bombed America over and over again.

BILL AYERS, "WEATHER UNDERGROUND": We figured out how to use guns and how to use bombs. Some people felt literally that the bigger mess we could make, the better. That is, that whatever it cost, whatever, you know, destructive kinds of activity we could do against the U.S. government, the better.

KELLY: The son of a prominent Illinois businessman, Ayers came of age in the 1960s, drawn to the civil disobedience of the day and deeply offended by the Vietnam War.

AYERS: We will build a revolutionary youth movement capable of actively engaging in a war against the imperialists. We will escalate our attacks until imperialism is defeated in Vietnam.

KELLY: In 1965 at age 20, he joined the left-wing Students for a Democratic Society or SDS. In late '69 they held protests in Chicago, full of rage about the war, race relations and the wealthy.

"WEATHER UNDERGROUND": Last night they armed themselves were sticks and chains and rocks and surged through the streets on Chicago's north side to carry the fight to the enemy, the rich.

KELLY: The ravaged the city's business district. Six people were shot, and dozens more arrested. Later that year, a seminal moment. Black Panther leader Fred Hampton was shot and killed by Chicago police. Out of that moment the group The Weathermen was born, a radical spinoff from SDS. Its mission -- the violent overthrow of the U.S. government.

"WEATHER UNDERGROUND": Hello. I'm going to read a declaration of a state of war.

KELLY: Shortly thereafter, a San Francisco police station is bombed and an officer killed. Police later say The Weathermen did it. Next comes the bombing of a New York judge's home. The group then plots to bomb a military dance, but their explosives go off too soon, destroying a New York City townhouse. Found buried in the ruble, 66 of dynamite. The FBI concludes, had the explosives detonated, they would have leveled everything on both sides of the street. Three members of The Weathermen are killed in that blast, including Ayers' girlfriend, identified by a single remaining finger. The Weathermen go into hiding and change their name to the Weather Underground. Still, the attacks continue.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Now we are everywhere and next week families and tribes will attack the enemy around the country. We are not just attacking targets, we are bringing a pitiful, helpless giant to its knees.

KELLY: Soon the group takes credit for more bombings, Ayers believed to be personally involved in at least three of them -- New York City police headquarters in 1970, the bombing of the U.S. capitol in '71, the bombing of the Pentagon in 1972. Around this time Ayers falls in love with fellow Weatherman leader Bernardine Dohrn. By 1973, the U.S. involvement in Vietnam is ending. But Ayers and Dohrn don't surrender until 1980.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Bernardine Dohrn, the former anti-war leader and student radical surrendered today in Chicago.

KELLY: They only resurfaced because they had learned the most serious charges had been dropped due to government misconduct in the investigation, an incredible stroke of luck for the pair.

Within a year their former Weathermen comrades were at it again, this time robbing a Brinks truck in a crime that left three people dead. Ayers and Dohrn settle in Chicago, enter academia and later go on to befriend Barack Obama, posting a fundraiser for the then Illinois Senate candidate. When their friend becomes a presidential candidate, Ayers stays mostly quiet but emerges soon after the election sounding far from remorseful.

AYERS, "GOOD MORNING AMERICA"/ABC, NOV. 2008: I've been quoted again and again in saying I don't regret it and frankly -- and saying, I don't think we did enough and I don't think we did enough.

KELLY: And now for the first time ever, Bill Ayers walks into the Fox News Headquarters to face tough questions about his past and his future.

KELLY, (on camera): So we have to talk about you and your domestic terrorist past. Let's start with this, let's start with this. How many bombings are you responsible for?

AYERS: The Weather Underground I think took credit for just slightly over 20 in a period when there were 20,000 bombings in the United States against the war.

KELLY: And how about you personally.

AYERS: Me personally, I've never talked about it, never will.


You could have hurt some people.

AYERS: Absolutely.

KELLY: You acknowledge that.

AYERS: Absolutely.

KELLY: You claim you never did but you acknowledge the risks.

AYERS: Oh, there was a terrible risk and we actually did hurt three of our own people died in the townhouse in New York City in 1970, and that was an incalculable, horrible, devastating loss and yet what they apparently planning to do would have been more devastating. And so it's a tragedy personally to us and to me but, yes --

KELLY: We'll get to that in a minute. That was a nail bomb they were putting together. But the Weather Underground began in 1969 with protests --

AYERS: 1970.

KELLY: OK. Over the Vietnam War. But it became more and more militant as the years passed, the early 70s. In 1970 you declared a state of war against the U.S. government and urged your comrades, as you called them, to be more violent.

Here is fellow Weatherman Mark Rudd and your now-wife Bernardine Dohrn.


MARK RUDD, WEATHERMAN: We challenge each other to be more violent.

BERNARDINE DOHRN, WEATHER UNDERGROUND: There's no way to be committed to nonviolence in the middle of the most violent society that history's ever created. I'm not committed to nonviolence in any way.


KELLY: Why was more violence the answer?

AYERS: I wouldn't argue that more violence was the answer but do I think --

KELLY: But those are your people.

AYERS: You know, what she said is "I'm not committed to nonviolence."

KELLY: Mark Rudd was part of your group.

AYERS: He was part of the Weatherman faction of SDS. He actually was never in the Weather Underground but he was part of the --

KELLY: But you were upping the violent rhetoric as well.

AYERS: No question, our rhetoric was, you know, outstripped, a lot of what was going on. There's no question. But here's the reality. I was arrested opposing the war in Vietnam in 1965. Over the next five years -- over the next three years, five years, I was arrested many times in demonstrations, in militant actions, sitting in a draft boards, all of it non-violent, all of it an attempt to bring a screaming warning that we were killing 6,000 people a week. And when the war dragged on after 1968 when a majority of people had come to oppose the war largely through the efforts of people like Martin Luther King, the Black Freedom Movement, vets coming home and telling the truth, and the anti-war movement, those things came together and a majority opposed the war.

Then the question was how do we stop it if it won't stop? And this was a crisis for democracy and a crisis for the anti-war movement. In my own family, one of my brothers went to Canada, deserted the Army and I think he's a war hero for doing that. One my brothers went to the communes went to join the Democratic Party, tried to build the peace wing, and I did what I did.

KELLY: You think Bowe Bergdahl is a war hero, too.

AYERS: I think Bowe Bergdahl, if he deserted, that was a heroic thing to do, absolutely, nobody knows if he did or he didn't. But I did blog about that because I think throughout history, we should build monuments to the unknown deserters, the people who look at the craziness they're asked to participate in and say, I'm not part of this.

KELLY: OK. So, I hear you now, explaining, you know, those sound bites we heard from Bernardine Dohrn, your now wife, she wasn't at the time, she is now, and Mark Rudd and so on. But to put it in context, as they and you and your group were calling for more violence, what we saw in February of 1970, February 16, was San Francisco police officer Brian McDonald, a 44-year-old father of two and husband, was killed when a bomb went off at his police station and eight other police officers were injured in that blast. Now, your wife, Bernadine Dohrn, has been accused of that crime. Do you deny it?

AYERS: Absolutely deny it. Absolutely nothing to do with it. So, this is one of the things that keeps recycling.

KELLY: And let me just tell them how it does. I'll give you the floor. Larry Grathwohl is somebody who infiltrated the Weather Underground. He claimed that you visited him in Buffalo in 1970 and complained that Bernardine Dohrn had to do it herself, that bombing, because others, quote, "weren't active enough in committing violence." And the San Francisco police union recently accused the Weather Underground of this murder.

AYERS: Complete lies. And Larry Grathwohl was in SDS but he was never in the Weather Underground and --

KELLY: SDS was the precursor to the Weather Underground.

AYERS: Yes, it was the student movement, exactly. And no, Larry Grathwohl was lying and the police union doesn't know what they're talking about.

KELLY: Bernadine Dohrn was not a fan of the police and referred to them typically as pigs.


DOHRN: Sisters and brother, a year ago we blew away the Haymarket pig statue at the start of the youth riot in Chicago. The head of the Police Sergeant Association called emotionally for all-out war between the pigs and us. We accepted it. Last night we destroyed the pig again.

It's two and a half weeks since Fred Hampton was murdered by the pigs who own this city.


AYERS: Well, that was again the inflated rhetoric at the time. Yes, the Black Panthers did that, we did that. Yes.

KELLY: I mean, that sort of rhetoric is what sort of catches people's attention when she is calling them pigs and celebrating bad things happening to the police, at the same time one gets murdered and then you allegedly went and told Larry Grathwohl she did it.

AYERS: It never happened.

But look, it's true that the rhetoric was inflated. It's also true. It's also, you take the situation like Chicago today, the police are a violent, out of control enterprise in Chicago today. The shooting of unarmed people again and again, the stopping of people on the street, the endless arrests.

KELLY: Do you refer to them as pigs today?

AYERS: No, I don't.

KELLY: Does Bernadine?

AYERS: No, not really. We hang out with them at the coffee shop and talked to them. But we disagree.

When you look at the Chicago Police Department, which has been involved in torture -- and this is documented -- involved in torture which has freed people off death row in the last five years because of a systematic, you know, practice of torture and forced confessions and so on, and these police officers are -- every one of them isn't guilty but every one of them is part of the conspiracy of silence, absolutely.

KELLY: Five days after that San Francisco bombing that took the life of Officer Brian McDonald, the Weather Underground bombed John Murtaugh's home. John Murtaugh is --

AYERS: That's also not true.

KELLY: It's not true?

AYERS: No, it's not true.

KELLY: Judge Murtaugh was a judge -- a trial court judge in New York State who was hearing a case involving the Panther 21 and your group objected to the way he was handling that case and you came out --

AYERS: Well, we were supporting the Panther 21, there's no question.

KELLY: That's right. And then his home got firebombed in the middle of the night. He had a nine-year-old boy there named John, who has been very public about this bombing.

AYERS: Right.

KELLY: In your book with Bernardine, you quote, the Weather Underground communicate and you say as follows and I'm quoting now, "Two weeks before the townhouse explosion," which is a different bomb, "four members of this group had firebombed Judge Murtaugh's house in New York as an action to support the Panther 21, whose trial was just beginning. To many people, this was a very good action, within that group, however, the feeling developed that because this action had not done anything to hurt the pigs materially, it wasn't very important."

AYERS: I didn't write that.

KELLY: It's in your book.

AYERS: Which book?

KELLY: It's your book with Bernadine. That's on the board right there, it's from one of your communiques.

AYERS: It's not my communique --

KELLY: It's your wife's.

AYERS: No, I think it's an autonomous group. I'm quite sure.

KELLY: No, it's your wife. And not only that. But a former Weather Ground member --

AYERS: Weather Underground.

KELLY: Kathy Wilkinson -- Weather Underground -- Kathy Wilkinson further offered her own recitation on what happened and she claims that the Weather Underground when she was in it perpetrated that crime.

AYERS: She may have claimed it but that's not true to my knowledge.

KELLY: She wasn't telling the truth either?

AYERS: I don't think so.

KELLY: John Murtaugh also believes that you, the Weather Underground, perpetrated that crime and he's been on Fox News a few times. When I was hosting an afternoon show, he came on and he said the following. I want to give you a chance to respond.


KELLY: You're a 9-year-old little boy asleep in your bed and what happens?

JOHN MURTAUGH: Early in the morning on Washington's birthday, four bombs went off, two in the front of the house. There were two in the front that went off. They were bombs they placed under the gas tank of our car and the back of the house.

The first two went off.

The notion that Bill Ayers and Weather Underground were about property damage, to make it sound like they were egging cars on Halloween night is absurd.

As far as I'm concerned, Kathy Boudin, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn and every one of them have blood dripping from their hands.


AYERS: Not true. It was always property damage in our activities, always. And so, it's not just true.

KELLY: Do you deny Terry Robbins was responsible for that bombing? Because he was part of --


AYERS: I Have no idea if he was.

KELLY: You two were very close.

AYERS: We were very close, but he was in New York. I have no idea if he was but I don't think he was but he's gone and so we don't know --

KELLY: He's one of the guys who blew himself up.

AYERS: That's exactly right. But, you know, one of the things I think that's interesting about these activities of 40 years ago, I don't think it's bad to kind of steer through them and try to understand them.

KELLY: Have you written about them extensively --

AYERS: Have I've written about them myself. Absolutely. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But I think it would be fair and balanced to also look at the violence that was and is going on perpetrated by the government, by the official agencies and organs of the government.

KELLY: Let me just tell you what I hear when I hear that. I hear you saying, you sound like with respect Usama bin Laden.

This is a rush transcript from "The Kelly File," July 2, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

MEGYN KELLY, HOST: First, though, the final part of our exclusive interview with the domestic terrorist turned college professor who helped launched the political career of our current president.

In 2008, Professor Bill Ayers was introduced to America as the founder of the violent radical group the Weather Underground. That introduction came when it was discovered that Ayers, a man who hid from the FBI for a decade helped launch the political career of a young Chicago politician by the name of Barack Obama, a man who was seeking the Oval Office. So how exactly did that happen? And what are we to make of that? We'll get to that. But first, you need to know how Ayers came to talk with us. That happened when he agreed to join filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza right here on this set for a special we will air in full this Fourth of July at 9:00 p.m. Eastern in a debate about America. Watch.


KELLY: Let's start with that, whether America is a force for good. Dinesh says in the movie, Professor Ayers, that one side, his side believes America is exceptionally good and the other believes it's exceptionally bad.


KELLY: Is that you? Is that your side?

AYERS: I don't believe there's two sides. But I have a very different view, I think that America plays a role that's supposed to be good and bad in the world that there's a tradition in America that I strongly support and it's the tradition of dissidence, it's the tradition of radicals, it's the tradition of revolutionaries, so you can see from the beginning, the first Bill of Rights was the push from below, the abolitionist movement was the push from below, the women's movement, suffrage. These are things that I think are great in the American tradition and it shows us something important which is that people can affect the outcome of national policy, they can become a force for good and that to me is one of the great things about America.

KELLY: No matter the means necessary?

AYERS: It depends, no, of course the means matter. But, so you're digging into that --

KELLY: Where ever could I be going?

AYERS: Where could you be going? No, of course the means matter, but the point is, that if you look back in history, and you say, who are the people that we remember for all the great things they did? Even if you take, say, Lyndon Johnson, Abraham Lincoln. Lyndon Johnson was never part of the Black Freedom Movement. He responded to a Black Freedom Movement on the ground. And same with Abraham Lincoln, he never belong to an abolitionist party, he was responding to force from below.

So, do I think Harriet Tubman did good things? I do. Was she carrying a pistol in her pockets? She was. Did John Brown do the right thing by hurling his entire life and his family against slavery? He did. And those are the people I have looked to.

KELLY: It's interesting, you chose to name two presidents to start off with, who are, you know, our commanders-in-chief, who signed bills into law and abide by, not in all circumstances, but are expected to abide by the rule of law, something that you have often flouted.

AYERS: Both of these presidents were actually responding to movements that didn't always abide by the rule of law. I mean, the civil rights movement, the Black Freedom movement, broke the law consistently and that was part of the strength and beauty of it. And the Black Freedom movement grew and evolved every minute, every day. The kind of story we tell about it today is mostly a myth and mostly not true, but the push for justice, the push for equality, the push for participation, was something that was magnificent. And that was coming from below and much of it was against the law. Lincoln was responding --

KELLY: One of that Dinesh, revolution.

DINESH D'SOUZA, FILMMAKER: Well, we happen to be in a revolutionary nation where America began with the revolution. And I would call it the spirit of 1776 was a revolutionary spirit. So, the American founders far from being status quo guys, broke the law themselves, the law of the British crown and established a revolutionary country based upon principles of equality, based upon principles of Christianity and principles of commerce.

Now, if you look at the reforms movements in America, John Brown, for example was powerfully motivated by Christianity. The abolitionist movement if impossible if it wasn't for Christianity. Martin Luther King says, I'm submitting a promissory note. Who wrote a promissory note? Not the southern segregationists, it was Thomas Jefferson. So a Virginia slave holder wrote the charter that Martin Luther King relied on 200 years later to have a civil rights movement in the first place. So, the point is that you couldn't have radicalism, the radicalism itself is parasitic upon the principles of 1776.

KELLY: What do you make -- you say the terrorists who bombed the Pentagon in our past thought they were doing good because America was bad. And you turned out to be referring not to the 911 Al Qaeda terrorists but to Mr. Ayers, Professor Ayers group, the Weather Underground. And this goes back to the means, you know, that you get in your head that America is bad, it needs to be changed and you pursue any means necessary to evoke that change. Dinesh equates you to actual terrorists who bombed us on 9/11.

AYERS: Even Dinesh's response to you, he pointed out that the American Revolution was violent and it was illegal. So you're not always against illegal violence, you're only against it when you think it's against the things you believe in.

But the reality is we were never terrorists and Dinesh does call our group terrorists and that's not true. Because terrorism, even if you take Webster's definition, is force and coercion intended to spread fear and panic to make your point. And it often involves killing civilians. We never killed anyone, we did noisy, loud, very open destruction of property at a time when 6,000 people a week were being murdered by our government. Six thousand a week.

KELLY: That's what you were objecting to?

AYERS: Objecting?

KELLY: We'll get to that, we'll get to that Weather Underground in our separate segment. So, I just want our viewers know we're going to talk about that in separate segment. But that's what Professor Ayers believes, that as many other radicals in our country's history, he believed that the ends did justify the means. And that if you want to change the things about America to which you object and you try to a peaceful means and you do not get anywhere, then what recourse do you have but to push the envelope, and in some circumstances break the law.

D'SOUZA: Well, first of all, there was a big difference between let's say, Martin Luther King breaking the law and Bill Ayers breaking the law, because Martin Luther King broke the law nonviolently. Martin Luther King's point was, if I break the law, I should accept the penalty for breaking the law. I shouldn't go hiding from the law. I should go to prison because the law is unjust. So, I'm going to call the law into question morally and try to sway to American people because I believe in the goodness of the American people.

If you look at the rhetoric, Bill Ayers represents how we would call the spirit of 1968. And this was the radical spirit that saw America as a force for evil, saw Vietnam as a metaphor, for how bad America was, and then went right back into American history and reinterpreted American history as a series of crimes visited upon different -- the Native-Americans, the African-Americans, the Mexicans. So this became a kind of anti-Americanism that was fostered in America and it became pervasive in our schools, our colleges, it's now part of the media, so our culture has been shaped by this.

KELLY: Do you admit that?

AYERS: No, I think it's interesting. First of all, both of you are acting like the ends justify the means is absolutely from Mars, but when your ends are in question like invading Iraq, you're all for it, you're all in. And that's a violent end.

But on this question of the spirit of '68, we went back and we interpreted history and you act as if the reinterpretation of history was some kind of fiction. We did commit genocide against the Native Americans.

D'SOUZA: Actually, we didn't.

AYERS: And we did enslave people for 250 years. And the question, could you be a moral person and own slaves, I think is something that you dodge. And so what I would say is, look, what I would say is, you need to look at the thing honestly and don't be so afraid of the fact that we did terrible, terrible things in our history, and in order to get right with the world, we have to repair those history --

KELLY: Go ahead, Dinesh.

D'SOUZA: But we shouldn't flagellate ourselves for things that we didn't do. Let's for example --

AYERS: I don't flagellate at all. I don't even flagellation.

D'SOUZA: Let's look at genocide. The American Indian population shrank by 80 percent over 150 years. The main reason for that was not because of warfare or systematic killing, it's because the white man brought with him from Europe diseases to which the Native Americans -- hold on --


D'SOUZA: Did not have any immunities, and so they perished in large numbers. Now, the Europeans, one-third of the population in Europe a hundred years later -- earlier had been wiped out by the black plague, where did that come from? Asia. So with the migration of people, diseases go from civilization to civilization. That's not genocide. Genocide is when to intend to wipe out of people.

AYERS: They intended to wipe out the people and steal their land and they did both.

KELLY: Do you think there's a reflexive instinct in many on the left, or to the left of the left as I guess you are, to blame America first? I mean, I thought it was interesting in one of your books, the question was, who you think are great Americans, you know, what do you think is so great about America? And you named Edward Snowden and now Chelsea Manning, two people who people, you know, think are traitors.

AYERS: Well, some people think they're traitors. And I named Jeremy Hammond as well, another whistleblower. And what amused me, Jeremy Hammond is a Chicagoan, so was Daniel Ellsberg. But when the judge sentence Jeremy Hammond to 10 years in federal prison, she said, you're no Daniel Ellsberg. And I wanted to scream at the television, yes, and Daniel Ellsberg wasn't Daniel Ellsberg before he was Daniel Ellsberg, in other words he was also called treasonous. And it's only later that we catch up with the reality. Shouldn't we have a transparent government? Shouldn't we know what our government is doing? Should we allow them to just close the door and act with impunity? That's what we're doing. Snowden stopped that.

KELLY: Just about a week ago, the Pew Research Center released a study showing that only 40 percent of those who identify as quote, "solid liberals" describe themselves as proud to be American, compared to the roughly 70 percent of those who describe themselves as conservatives.

Why do you think it is so few liberals say they are proud to be American?

AYERS: I have no idea.

KELLY: Are you?

AYERS: I'm not a liberal, if that's what you mean.

KELLY: Are you proud to be American?

AYERS: I'm not proud to be an American and I don't buy the American exceptionalism at all. And the reason I'm not proud to be an American is because of the damage that we do around the world is so serious and so ongoing. So if you look anywhere in the world, look all through Latin America, ordinary people on the street admired Cuba for one reason, they stood up to America. They stood up to, you know, kind of imperial advances.

KELLY: We stood up to some people too. Germany.

AYERS: I understand and that was us at our best. And after 9/11 --

KELLY: So, why do you go right to the bad? Why don't you think about the good when you think about what America is?

AYERS: I do often think about the good, but I wouldn't call myself an American exceptionalist and I would challenge that in anybody, because I'm a human being, I believe we should be struggling with the question, what does it mean to be human in the 21st Century? What is it that's required of us? We are all human. America is five percent of the world's population, we should think of ourselves as a people among people, not as an exceptional people. Because as soon as you start saying American exceptionalism, then you say actions that are done by us versus other people are different depending on who does them.

KELLY: Dinesh, that's not an unusual attitude among --

D'SOUZA: Right. Exceptionalism doesn't mean a different moral standard applies. By and large foreigners who come to America, going all the way back to Toekville (ph) -- I've grown up in a different culture. I know America's exception because I see things in America that you wouldn't see anywhere else in the world.

Right now, if you took the power that America has as the world's sole superpower and you gave it to Russia, or you gave it to China, they would use it far more expansively, more brutally and more to gain themselves. America is benign in the way it exercises its power. The American idea of wealth creation is being embraced in India, in China, all over the world. It's lifting hundreds of millions of people out of poverty.

So ironically, this American formula that we are moving away from at home under Obama is being enthusiastically embraced all around the world.

AYERS: We're benign in Iraq for example. You say, we use our power benevolently in Iraq, for example, or Afghanistan -- those are benign uses of power.

D'SOUZA: OK. We went into Afghanistan because the Taliban supplied monkey bars to the guys from 9/11 who attacked us directly.

AYERS: Why didn't we go and get the guys who attacked us directly instead of overthrowing government. And now --


Which incidentally, the entire history of the last 50 years of American foreign policy is we go in under the guise of being the beneficent and benign and we go in under the lies of one president after another and then we get booted out, and what do we do? We blame the brown guys. So, it's Al-Maliki and I hope Al-Maliki has read his history of Vietnam and sees what happened to Diem (ph) --

KELLY: Do you think we're blaming Al-Maliki for the mess in Iraq because he's brown? Is that what you think?

AYERS: There's no question the United States is -- I think that we always blame our clients, that's what I'm saying.

KELLY: That's a generalization. Do you think we're blaming Al-Maliki for the mess in Iraq because he's brown?

AYERS: I think we blame our clients, and our clients happen to be brown. So, Diem, I hope Al-Maliki has read about Vietnam. Diem got a bullet in the head from Kennedy. Because he had failed in Vietnam, we didn't failed, we were perfect. And the same is true in --

D'SOUZA: America has made mistakes. Has made mistakes in Vietnam, the Iraq war, in retrospect -- hold on a minute. In retrospect, the Iraq war was a mistake.

But there's a difference between making a mistake and doing something that is inherently wicked. Let me tell you what I mean by this. Anyone else who went into Iraq and did this would have reimbursed itself by taking the Iraqi oil. Right? Instead, we have spent all this money in Iraq, and then we have turned over the keys of the oil fields to the Iraqis, we say it's your oil, use it, sell it, burn it. So, Iraq ends up costing us money, imperialists normally go abroad to make money.

AYERS: No, no, no, you're absolutely mistaken. So, you're saying that the oil is just there and Iraq is just using it the way they see fit and Shell has nothing to do with it, and mobile has nothing to do with it. Standard has nothing --

D'SOUZA: On the balance, America made money and lost money on Iraq.

AYERS: On balance, people like Halliburton made gazillions of money.

KELLY: That's not responsive. America.

AYERS: Absolutely. America on balance lost and that's --

D'SOUZA: OK. Let me ask you this. At the end of the cold war, all of Eastern Europe is free, Russia now no longer has a communist government. Are all those countries better off or worse off because we won the cold war?

AYERS: I don't think we won the cold war. I think you're dreaming about that.

D'SOUZA: Was that a good thing?

AYERS: Well, I think the end of authoritarian governments is always a good thing. But I also think that this notion that somehow we go out in our beneficence, spend a trillion dollars a year on military budgets, have 150 military bases circling the globe. Those are not for beneficent purposes. Those are for imperial purposes.

KELLY: I've got to leave it at that.


Content and Programming Copyright 2014 Fox News Network, LLC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Copyright 2014 CQ-Roll Call, Inc. All materials herein are protected by United States copyright law and may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, displayed, published or broadcast without the prior written permission of CQ-Roll Call. You may not alter or remove any trademark, copyright or other notice from copies of the content.'note: FOX News Channel’s (FNC) The Kelly File with these inteviews are being delinked, propoganda, so I posted it in full here. But laws are made for the controlling of the mind, and Fox was devastated by Ayers, who won every battle. He showed that Megan and her guests, even the F.B.I. brass, these were old timers too had no idea of history or had the intellect to define the accomplishments of the age of reason. When trying to access the vids of these issues, especially the Fox vid for why Kelley had no idea how these people got into professorship, this showed that Fox hires dolts, and are quite embarrassed, so they delink these and claim to the public; so we put these up for you. Fox is a part of the problem, not the solution.

Retweeted by Megyn Kelly
Dinesh D'Souza @DineshDSouza  ·  7h
@megynkelly The indispensable Megyn examines how yesterday's terrorists became today's college professors …
Retweeted by Megyn Kelly

went to link for vid, it was not working, I have a new and modern computer and other sights, like youtube work fine, 12 mb ram, Pentium i-7 4700, so it was not my computer. I have all the adobe flash installed, it works fine. There is something about 'transparency' Bill Ayers kept brining up and hiding the fact that Kelly was surprised that violent protestor ideologists get into teaching positions indicates Fox News lives in the dark ages and is very embarrassed, they got 'served.'

Megyn Kelly @megynkelly  ·  20h ( accessed by AM 07 03 2014)

“It’s about time people just stopped insulting #Vietnam veterans,” say Lt. Col. Ralph Peters on #KellyFile. #BillAyers

from Megan Kelly's twitter and form a section of this wider 'violent protest' panel. Bill Ayers, as far as I know, has never demeaned the Vietnam Vets. What Peter's is confused of or is out right lying is that Ayers does not agree with the people in charge that sent and keep sending U.S. poor troops into battles to pad the rich's coffers. Why is Megan Kelly trying to trick the world with her and her panel of ignorants? Does she have a pack with Satan? The Same people in charge of those Vets today force them to wait two years after they have died to get an appointment at the Veterans Administration. And Fox blames all but themselves who are the biggest supporters of the veterans. and they have complained to Fox for decades and Fox News ignores their plight.

Megyn Kelly @megynkelly  ·  20h

“They wanted to mass murder Americans, not just rattle a bunch of glass,” says @NRO’s Andy McCarthy on #KellyFile. #BillAyers

Another lie, the government wanted to mass murder the poor for oil, for racism and for stupidity (believing Marxism, not Karl Marx's words, was a huge mistake). Since Fox covers up the John F. Kennedy assassination all people believe Fox News are the British Red Coats trying to kill colonialist Americans. So Americans fight back and with violence, and the Red Coats ( or NAZIS) like McCarthy, Kelly and Peters use racism against real American Patriots.

Fox News Interview of Bll Ayers w/ Megan kelly

purpose for Fox? : The Fox News host tries to link Obama to the Weather Underground co-founder. Sadly, they don't have much in common

"Ever since the story about Barack Obama going to Bill Ayers’ house once in 1995 at the start of his first Illinois state Senate campaign broke, this has been the line: Barack Obama launched his political career at the house of a radical left-wing terrorist. Sarah Palin’s famous riff about Obama “pallin’ around with terrorists” is the more folksy version. The implication on the right has always been that during that meeting, Obama and Ayers mapped out their long-con to seize control of the reins of American power and institute a regime of violent Communism from the inside. Now, that project is almost complete." - Slate review. Jim Newell, Wednesday, Jul 2, 2014 11:45 AM PST, Megyn Kelly’s awkward Bill Ayers interview: It turns out there are people to Obama’s left! However, this is a lie, and Barack Hussein Obama ii is a full-bore LeftCon, and ideology is the same as Megan Kelly. Obama recently excepted his belief in American Exceptionalism = a philosophy that breaks God's commandment.

“Barack Obama is assassinating people. I mean, he is not anything like Bill Ayers… That’s why Bill Ayers says, ‘I want to get in touch with him so I can tell him to stop doing these things.’” —Kirsten Powers.

Bella Ann Rose Those who do not think Obama is capable of doing these things are the true morons! Keep drinking your kool aid! You are part of the prob trolls!

reply: Letitia Alvarez He killed his own grandmother in Kenya who, when asked where he was really born said,"Right here, I know, because I was there!" Meaning she was their for his birth. He also played a hand in the, I think she was the mayor of Hawaii, who is now dead. She was the one who helped him forge his birth certificate.

Archangel Michael: As an Historian I retried this official Birth Certificate. It is Obama's with his baby footprint and exact location to where he was born. If you do the Biblical Maths, the Saturn 'Abassid' method places the election of Obama to the day using the Mombasa location. You cannot achieve this by using the Hawaiian locations ( purported two different islands) so I place my faith in the Maths.


main source: Until Fox deletes this like they delete all negative history to Fascicons,

Megyn Kelly currently serves as anchor of FOX News Channel’s (FNC) The Kelly File (weekdays 9-10PM/ET) and is based in New York. She joined the network in 2004 as a Washington-based correspondent.

[hm] Howard Machtinger,You Say You Want a Revolution, A founding member of the Weather Underground looks back at an organization unable to come to terms with its own violence. February 18, 2009., accessed 1 July 2014, available from ; Internet.

Copyright © 1999 - 2014 Michael Johnathan McDonald